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I also seemed to me that we were wandering off toward "wrangl(ing) about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers" territory. In regard to what we can know, need to know, how we can know it, I start with 2 Peter !:2-4: "Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord; seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence.For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust."
"everything pertaining to life and godliness," covers all the ground I care about. And "become partakers of the divine nature" and "having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust," mops up any loose ends for me.
I don't believe this is the realm of scientific proof or mere factual information, but personal knowledge grounded in personal experience. But there's more than this as well. Romans 1: 18-20 speaks about "that which is known about God..." and says that it "is evident within them; for God made it evident to them."
I find that word, "evident," to be an interesting one to meditate on. It suggests that the available evidence has long been adequate to arrive at the relevant and needed conclusions. Long before there was scientific method (which of course can't apply to these things anyway) God tells me that "His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, through what has been made... "
Clearly seeing the invisible - also an interesting idea to meditate on. And He indicates that this evidence of such sufficiency that those who fail (or refuse) to see it are without excuse. Not my idea - His. Not my words — His.
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